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what a sick bastardI couldn t put it down. The Marquis De Sade is definitely a required taste Not many can sit and read his vulgar words, but I could enjoy them daily Justine is one of his greatest works, and this book comes with many other little haunting tales to keep you on the edge of your seat. Justine is littlethan a prurient joyride unless you ve read Rousseau That is, it s a direct rebuttal of Rouseeau s notions of the noble savage and the social contract De Sade presents man s unfettered urges as being driven by the pleasure of the moment, regardless of the cost to others You either happen to be in a position to impose your desires, or you are the object of the desires of others, or both The savage is not noble in any sense that we might recognize he is merely a bundle Justine is littlethan a prurient joyride unless you ve read Rousseau That is, it s a direct rebuttal of Rouseeau s notions of the noble savage and the social contract De Sade presents man s unfettered urges as being driven by the pleasure of the moment, regardless of the cost to others You either happen to be in a position to impose your desires, or you are the object of the desires of others, or both The savage is not noble in any sense that we might recognize he is merely a bundle of appetites, and he waits just below the patina of civilization for any chance to sate his lusts De Sade brings his case to life with a story told in luxurious, nauseating detail As one of the introductory authors mentioned that those who read know of Sade, but very few ever actually read Sade I was this person until I finally read this book My one complaint is that prior to this I had never read Sade, so reading the introduction was a bit daunting I didn t fully understand their references, those from his literature or historical So if this is actually your first book of Sade s, or any of the others from this publisher, skip the introduction and read it at the end As one of the introductory authors mentioned that those who read know of Sade, but very few ever actually read Sade I was this person until I finally read this book My one complaint is that prior to this I had never read Sade, so reading the introduction was a bit daunting I didn t fully understand their references, those from his literature or historical So if this is actually your first book of Sade s, or any of the others from this publisher, skip the introduction and read it at the end The introductory essays seem to be written from the perspective of someone that expects their readers to be fairly well versed in Sade, a terrible thing if you never read Sade until now So read them at the end and it won t ruin anything for you, rather they will enhance the work for you upon reading them in the end I will say this about the introductory material though, the section with the historical time line was superb I found it very interesting as well as useful I have a couple other editions of De Sade s works and this one appears to be the best by far, aside from the fact it s not very friendly from a portable stand point, but the writing translations seem better than some others I ve come across I would still say Sade is quite the controversial author and I ve been getting into books of that nature as of late As I am also currently reading Mein Kampf as I write this I think a vast amount of people have opinions on these kinds of authors, but have never read their works De Sade, for example, I think is typically unjustly demonized by a great many people Hitler is a littlejustified in being demonized, but I still think people should read his book before they start to exult some opinion on the person in detail Sade, on the other hand, is littlecomplex and less obvious His main problem is that he wrote Justine and in 18th century thinking, that is a grave enough sin in itself Not so in the 20th century, though I don t think sadistic pleasure has fully outdone Sade yet, because he set a pretty strong precedent Though, if he was going around doing the things he wrote about to women in Justine, his demonization would be farjustified As it is, he was involved with one girl, that was apparently willing at first, but changed her mind later However, what was done is nothing compared to what he writes about or what is done to people nowadays, of course in that era, it was probably seen as far worse and shocking Either way, the French government went through lengths to try and destroy his works, but thankfully for those astute readers they are here for us to enjoy, or be reviled by, as it is up to the reader to decide I stress that it is up to the reader, opinions on works not being read are useless in my point of view, all you can merely say at that point is that it is not something that interests me, but one should not delve into a conversation about the work in question The first text is Philsophy in the Bedroom, and what an interesting work that is It is a mixture of philosophy, politics, and gratuitous sex I will admit the homosexuality brought up in the writing caught me off guard at first, for it was unexpected I typically do not go after that sort of writing, but the philosophical aspect is what kept me turning the pages Though I must admit my own general deviancy, because some of the scenes were quite well done when the characters were not philsophizing The part I struggled with though were the political discussions, I m not an avid follower of politics in the 20th 21st century, so I know quite a bit less about historical politics, unfortunately I think a lot of the political discussions taking place between the characters focused on politics of that era and are very specific to France , so any student of historical politics will likely find this vastly fascinating The discusions on philosophy, such as the philosophy of crime leading to true freedom is quite a bitinteresting to me as I aminterested in philosophy in general Not that Sade has truly convinced me to go out and commit criminal acts by any means It shows that Sade was very well thought out in his writings because he makes fairly convincing arguments, though in terms of liberation, I believe it is up to the person If you choose to live by such societal restrictions and your inner inhibitions coincide with the populace then you are free by your own point of view If you find these things extremely limiting, then you are not free I suspect Sade found societal normalcy a trapping that he sought to escape, thus he had a far different view on criminal acts The next two sections were relatively short, especially the discussion between a Priest and a Dying Man, which is essentially a satirical work It clearly shows the lack of love Sade has for the church Since I essentially agree with this sentiment, I had no problems with this, but those people out there who are religious may have an issue with this However, I can t see the devoutly religious enjoying Sade s work and sexual vulgarity in the least to begin with Next we have Marie du Franval , also known as Incest from another publisher This story is quite different than some of his other works, it s not nearly as explicit, but it does cross one of theextreme taboo lines between father and daughter Interestingly it does have a fairly unhappy ending for his main character who ends up losing what he loves most A curious ending for Sade, since Sade preaches full liberty in most of his stories regardless of who it would hurt Perhaps this was merely written creatively to switch up his usual works, a break from the norm and to show, as an author, he can work outside of his comfort zone so to speak The final part of this collection is the great apex of Sade s works This is one of his most well known works and flows in conjunction, to a degree, with Juliette Here we have Justine the work that was Sade s undoing and got him put in prison, but made his works live on in infamy This was, personally, my favorite tale in this entire collected works That opinion, of course, may change as I read , but so far I am summarily impressed Justine has the greatest story and best blend of demented sex and philosophy in all the book I can see why they saved this until the end Justine is a lost child who seeks to guard her virtue above all other things However, she is thrust through a sequence of very unfortunate circumstances and is debauched in some of the worst ways imaginable However, all of her captors seem to bethan just a lout who is merely exacting pleasure for no reason No, these characters a typically well educated, some are wealthy, and think about the philosophy and motivations of their particular desires Not only do they think about their internal motivations, they are also happy to expound on this at length to their captives The pinnacle of this is by far when she is taken captive by the monks, and I won t ruin it for anyone, but I m sure this particular section is what did Sade in Justine can never seem to get saved but rather goes from clutches to clutches of various captors, when all she wants is to live a wholesome life that she can be proud of This will never be the case for her, and she is very disillusioned with life by the end In the end the reader feels it is a very tragic tale over all However, we ll see a wholly different perspective with her sister Juliette A lot of people see the sadism and the lascivous sex as the trademark of Sade s work, others walk away having a different perspective on life in general I feel I am one of the latter, because I had never particularly thought of the philosophy of commiting crimes While some of the sexual deviancy is very strong, I felt I could stomach them better because they were written of course doing a lot of this stuff in real life is very illegal, and some would likely kill a person , but if you are particularly weak hearted then this may be a text to avoid All some people want to read are the sex scenes and they want to skip the philosophy, this is probably a lot easier to pull off I would say the works are typically about half and half in terms of philosophy versus sex, and I found the mixture is really what kept me turning the pages I always wanted to find out what the next antogonist of vices had in store for me next, and how would Justine react to that particular philosopher All in all, I would recommend this great work, but I realize that this is surely not a work for everyone, so if what I ve said appeals to you, read it, if not, don t read it Sade is nothing if not a challenge Not because of the predictable outraged sentiments of moral squeamishness or censorious prudery rather, to those who cannot be scandalized by the mere content of fiction and find pornographic one upmanship tedious, Sade is a bore His prolix monomania exemplifies perhaps even instantiates what modernists would later call pater les bourgeoisie ad nauseum The pattern is brutally mind numbing an eloquent encomium to murder, incest, atheism, theft, sodomy, mi Sade is nothing if not a challenge Not because of the predictable outraged sentiments of moral squeamishness or censorious prudery rather, to those who cannot be scandalized by the mere content of fiction and find pornographic one upmanship tedious, Sade is a bore His prolix monomania exemplifies perhaps even instantiates what modernists would later call pater les bourgeoisie ad nauseum The pattern is brutally mind numbing an eloquent encomium to murder, incest, atheism, theft, sodomy, misogyny, parricide infanticide, etc., then a luridly detailed rape torture orgy Repeat for 600 pages Entire chunks of speeches are repeated almost verbatim In Philosophy in the Bedroom, Dolmance is the lone stand in for Sade, but in Justine, the utterly pointless shifts in setting and character Justine escapes, is promptly immured again serve only to introduce dozens of pseudonymous Sades A dogmatic concept of Nature, and its embodiment in the ludicrous sensory materialism of sensations and impressions, serves to truncate any actual philosophical inquiry into right and wrong The alibi of Nature is the God that failed, natural science and intellectual history having been unkind to such a baldly self serving and callow ideology The opening gestures in Eugenie de Franval and Justine are the apex of mockery and dissimulation in these writings, he positions himself as a Man of Virtue humbly and reluctantly sharing a tale of woeful debauchery simply so that others may learn and avoid such catastrophes What he does not say is that the catastrophe in his eyes is that of Virtue itself, not its chastisement By such ruses he hoped to sow his seeds in unsuspecting breasts, convincing them not that the pious offer much resistance to the splendid spectacle of sin, as long as it is sandwiched between the thinnest layers of sanctimony in the name of cold, objective morality to indulge in the exquisiteness of all flesh and crime in order to emergefortified to combat it It s what today goes by the name atrocity tourism and has found such mainstream outlets as blockbuster torture films and round the clock war porn Why can t you look away Isn t it just awwwwful So why read Sade I wanted to better understand Horkheimer and Adorno s essay in Dialectic of Enlightenment and Lacan s Kant avec Sade Sade and to a lesser extent Nietzsche is a paper tiger, a scurrilous frisson only for the immature and ill informed Such demonic figures in literature demand to be read rather than to ride out their reputations on murmurs and allusions What generations of readers and scholars have found is that regardless of what one makes of Sade s predilections, he is a brilliant stylist and an often imitated but never replicated philosophical provocateur Freethinkers of every persuasion owe him a debt of gratitude for the courageous vehemence of his atheism it s undeniable that he took one and two and three for the team That s not merely metaphorical Sade was imprisoned time and again for what he preached, not what he practiced His virtue sic is in forcing us to think beyond every custom and constraint When we desire, is it Nature, Culture, or Ideology that animates us What Sade cannot be forgiven and that for which we owe him our attentions has nothing to do with the sexual barbarities which had to take his very name Walter Benjamin exhorted would be revolutionaries to reject cynicism inasmuch as it is the predominant mode of the ruling class After reading Justine, the unavoidable conclusion is that it is much worse than cynicism it is downright Sadism The unbridled egoism, self aggrandizing social Darwinism, and blunt admission that the wealthy and powerful are beyond the reach of common law are all still recognizable pillars of our social edifice Sade could do whatever he wanted in his boudoir, pen any perversity imaginable, but the moment he bluntly confessed and championed the aristocratic double standard in an age of liberty, equality, and fraternity, his censure was swift and irremediable The sententious outrage over public decency and manners, far from refuting such a thesis, substantiates it vitriol over exposed parts throws a shroud over exposed parties The volume is commendably introduced by the translators and the publisher, each offering a concise contextualization and Caveat Lector, although I skipped Paulhan s judicious and Blanchot s too adulatory essays until the end Sade is not required reading, neither enjoyable nor edifying, and I could not wait to be done Most of it is inane or mere shock value, some is scathing and trenchant, and just a little is magnificent If God had not created Sade it would have been necessary for us to invent him This is weird, but at times I wondered if de sade was an early feminist His athiestic tirades were dead on, but his rants on women s inferiority were so ridiculous that I wondered if he were pulling a Jonathan Swift Folks who have read 120 days of Sadom say not, but I still wonder I did enjoy it for the philosophy, assinine and not so much, and the kinkiness was not that extreme, except the bleeding one I loved how he killed her off at the end and by the end he was calling her feeble becau This is weird, but at times I wondered if de sade was an early feminist His athiestic tirades were dead on, but his rants on women s inferiority were so ridiculous that I wondered if he were pulling a Jonathan Swift Folks who have read 120 days of Sadom say not, but I still wonder I did enjoy it for the philosophy, assinine and not so much, and the kinkiness was not that extreme, except the bleeding one I loved how he killed her off at the end and by the end he was calling her feeble because she never learned, not once This was a difficult book to read The biographical information and his correspondence are interesting, but this fiction of his is ridiculous I ve racked my brain trying to vindicate the time I ve wasted trying to lend allegorical weight to Sade s philosophy If the dispensable horrors in Philosophy in the Bedroom and Justine are meant to be satire or reverse psychology, Sade is absolutely awful at it Perhaps he s like that introvert at a dinner party who carries a joke too far But once you This was a difficult book to read The biographical information and his correspondence are interesting, but this fiction of his is ridiculous I ve racked my brain trying to vindicate the time I ve wasted trying to lend allegorical weight to Sade s philosophy If the dispensable horrors in Philosophy in the Bedroom and Justine are meant to be satire or reverse psychology, Sade is absolutely awful at it Perhaps he s like that introvert at a dinner party who carries a joke too far But once you look at his life, it s clear there s no satire here, nor any need of it.Of the few things I appreciate, his analytical chats on homosexuality and the gray areas between sexual activity for sport or propagation these were strong, however often repeated and over emphasized Even some of his atheism, anti law and anti cleric digressions hold ground But what undermines these arguments is that they come from the mouths of his antagonists, who in the same breath preach murder, torture, sublimation of the weak, incest, statutory rape, etc You cannot convince me that Sade meant to use Swiftian sarcasm to shed a criminalizing light on evil men He describes their crimes with such pornographic and bestial detail, makes his criminals so much wiser than their victims, that it just seems clear to me that they are the heroes Also, his atheistic dogma is replaced by worship of the goddess Nature This is one of many philosophic contradictions Before reading this, I thought libertinage meant drinking, drugs, promiscuity basically the rock n roll lifestyle The libertinage of Sade involves at least in his imagination rape, torture and murder Whatever makes the libertine happy, regardless of consequence, which in his characters translates as cruelty to others In the 20 something scenes of this behavior in Justine, I don t mind the scatological fetishes, blood letting, piercing suspension or strangulation orgies, for example, since he describes these things in simple terms To be frank, it s his hyperbolic descriptions of engulfing showers of sperm, penises of forearm proportions, and voluptuously tight asses His heroine Justine marches blindly ahead, remaining virtuous and kind, while every stranger she meets takes carnal advantage of her, each one with a larger andmenacing phallus literally Sade must mean for his readers to see her as stupid and arrogant above all else If the hero doesn t defend herself, is she implicit in the crime I don t know, but I m sick of thinking in this vein NoIf anyone is ever tempted to read Justine, proceed to the final 5 pages where Justine summarizes the plot &Download Epub ⇖ Justine, Philosophy in the Bedroom, and Other Writings ⇵ No other writer has so scandalized proper society as the Marquis de Sade, but despite the deliberate destruction of over three quarters of his work, Sade remains a major figure in the history of ideas His influence on some of the greatest minds of the last century from Baudelaire and Swinburne to Nietzsche, Dostoyevsky and Kafka is indisputable This volume contains Philosophy in the Bedroom, a major novel that presents the clearest summation of his political philosophy Eug nie de Franval, a novella widely considered to be a masterpiece of eighteenth century French literature and the only authentic and complete American edition of his most famous work, Justine This literary portrait of Sade is completed by one of his earliest philosophical efforts, Dialogue between a Priest and a Dying Man, a selection of his letters, a fifty page chronology of his life, two important essays on Sade, and a bibliography of his work Ummmm, what can I say about a book that De Sade has written If you know about this Libertine Man than you know how his books are going to be It took me a long time to find these books in the US due to them being banned for a while but I did acquire them, Juliette and Justine, what a wild insatiable appetite this unusual man, or beast as some have called him, had I truly can not tell you which book was better because they in the shallow sense were the same but in the in depth sense they were a Ummmm, what can I say about a book that De Sade has written If you know about this Libertine Man than you know how his books are going to be It took me a long time to find these books in the US due to them being banned for a while but I did acquire them, Juliette and Justine, what a wild insatiable appetite this unusual man, or beast as some have called him, had I truly can not tell you which book was better because they in the shallow sense were the same but in the in depth sense they were a mind F I got and read these books years ago but just did a reread recently and they never seem to fail the senses What a load of dribbling moronic crap No really, why would a man in prison forthan 40 years equate sex with death and pain and a pathological fear, loathing and desire to subjugate women Please The fact that people worship him as a genius is pathetic I read this book originally as research for something I thought I wanted to write at the time to rescue the Justine character I changed my mind after I read this ludicrous, infantile treatise No redeeming qualities, but you have to giv What a load of dribbling moronic crap No really, why would a man in prison forthan 40 years equate sex with death and pain and a pathological fear, loathing and desire to subjugate women Please The fact that people worship him as a genius is pathetic I read this book originally as research for something I thought I wanted to write at the time to rescue the Justine character I changed my mind after I read this ludicrous, infantile treatise No redeeming qualities, but you have to give it one star to be able to review it